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Squees gone wild - Type 1.5/Legacy Format


  'Squees gone wild' by Phoenix Ignition submitted on 11/10/2008 xxx10.9.128
Main DeckSideboard
20 land
4x Wasteland
3x City of Traitors
3x Ancient Tomb
2x Bloodstained Mire
2x Windswept Heath
4x Scrubland
1x Swamp
1x Plains

2x Solitary Confinement
4x Zombie Infestation

4x Chalice of the Void
3x Trinisphere

3x Ichorid
4x Shriekmaw
4x Ashen Ghoul
4x Squee, Goblin Nabob
4x Krovikan Horror
4x Nether Shadow
4x Nether Traitor
something like...
4 Disenchant
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Filth
3 Peace of Mind
Artifacts to make opponents lose a lot of tempo, enchantments to dump creatures into your graveyard, and creatures with free or close to it recursion to either swing or discard again. Not going to work until ichorid dies or graveyard hate goes away, but we can only hope right? use ichorid only if the creatures you remove are of no more use to you anyway.

My attempt at breaking squee!
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COMMENTS


dog
xxx161.230.73
11/11/2008 11:48:32 PM
very nice,it seems very agresive and this looks to be even competitive tourney playable.
Phoenix Ignition
xxx10.9.128
11/12/2008 12:03:12 AM
not until at least some of the decks out there stop running graveyard hate... ichorid combo is too prevalent.
dog
xxx161.230.73
11/12/2008 12:43:34 AM
really right now from what i have seen the only thing in the side boards of decks are extirpate and this deck can get around that

most graveyard decks are not being used right now so people aren't running leyline they are running extirpate as a 3 of in the sb so this deck in my opinion would catch a lot of decks in the format off gaurd.

then again dont get me wrong, do i think it could beat landstill or most combo decks....no

but in a small tourney event i can say that i think that this could easily go 3-1 or 3-2. all im saying is that i think its a solid deck with some potential
Phoenix Ignition
xxx10.9.128
11/12/2008 12:54:24 AM
dog you should go to the forums, we're more active over there and you could help me brainstorm decks or fix my ideas up... i think this could have potential, but it would have to be scrutinized a lot to make it the best it can be. if you decide to go over there start a thread in the deck forum so i know you're there and we can try to make some good decks.
Moogle
xxx183.46.161
11/12/2008 6:08:30 PM
you mean more people post about legacy in the forums?

i should join because i want to get into legacy.
Phoenix Ignition
xxx10.9.128
11/12/2008 6:13:10 PM
no, i'm the only one in the forums, it seems, that plays legacy a lot. it's mainly standard, which i know you play a lot moogle, so it's probably even better for you.

if you want to learn legacy i'd be glad to help.
dog
xxx161.230.73
11/12/2008 7:22:07 PM
thanks that sounds good phoenix i'll try it in the next couple days and i'll see what i can do,

moogle if you want help with legacy try finding a list that seems good to you and post it and phoenix and my self im sure are more then happy to help you, but be warned its an expensive format to get in to
Phoenix Ignition
xxx10.9.128
11/12/2008 9:08:18 PM
it's an expensive format to get into, yes, but out of all of the formats, i would say it's the cheapest to play if you stick with it longer than, say, a complete rotation of cards through standard. when you play standard you have to buy really expensive lands and sometimes things like planeswalkers, that all drop in value a ton when they rotate out, but in legacy cards hold value or go up in value.

so it is more expensive initially, but the money loss is much less if you plan on playing for a while or at least selling your expensive cards back on ebay.
dog
xxx161.230.73
11/12/2008 9:27:14 PM
^very true and well put
Joe C
xxx127.154.2
11/16/2008 10:46:17 AM
if you love the legacy format jut go to www.mtgthesource.com

it is %900 better than this site for discussion.
Jimmy Kimmel
xxx120.148.136
11/16/2008 1:22:50 PM
i play legacy quite a bit. and i also play quite a bit of extended.
Phoenix Ignition
xxx10.9.128
11/16/2008 4:38:13 PM
i read every post on that site joe c, but that site houses the best players in the format. if i made up a new deck that was actually better than the ones on that site, they would all steal it, and it wouldn't be fun anymore.
Joe C
xxx69.103.3
11/17/2008 6:27:02 AM
well the idea phoenix is to share collective information. if you have a deck that is "secret tech" then never post it anywhere and win a ton of tournies with it, but then alas, once your decklist gets posted in a top 8 thread, you are screwed anyway. having some of the best players discussing a deck is a good thing... and honestly, almost every deck out there has been tried, thats why the best deck archtypes dont change all that much ever
Phoenix Ignition
xxx10.9.128
11/17/2008 9:27:19 PM
there are so many things wrong with what you said that i don't know where to begin. the best archtypes don't change not because of people talking about them, it's because their strategies are consistent. threshold has been good over time because it has adapted to fill the role it has always filled. drop a threat or 2 and control the game. tarmogoyf filled the role better than werebear, and so it filled the spot. threshold evolved due to cards changing, not people suggesting that it should. there are a ton of decks out there that haven't been tried, and there are more cards every 3 months or so to add to the pool of decks that haven't been tried. why would you ever play something that wasn't tier 1 if you thought that? don't you find fun in playing a deck that no one has seen and winning with it? if you don't then i have no idea why you'd be on this site in the first place, since the decks that you think are so good are over there.

a great example of a deck winning before it
Phoenix Ignition
xxx10.9.128
11/17/2008 9:27:37 PM
is talked about is team america. if you knew what that was, you would know that it was only introduced to the site after it got top 8 in the major source tournament.

i don't need people who think they are good to discuss my decks, the only reason i post on here is because of the casual gaming crowd, who often know of many more "johnny" cards than most everyone on the source.
Joe C
xxx69.103.3
11/18/2008 6:28:31 AM
like most people on this site, you took what i said out of context instead of actually reading what i said. this is one reason why i stopped posting here for over a year. peace
Phoenix Ignition
xxx10.9.128
11/18/2008 10:58:09 AM
lol bye buddy, we'll miss you!!!!!!111!!!1!!!one!!!!eleven!


everyone can thank me now, that's 2 jerks i've gotten rid of, neoflash and this guy.
zap
xxx99.228.191
11/18/2008 11:07:51 AM
i like you both actually. the idea isn't to 'get rid of people' here, but to use any disagreements constructively. it is ok to have disagreements as long as people don't start name calling and demeaning each other on a personal basis -which i noticed has been happening alot lately on this site by quite a few people.

needs to stop guys!!

btw -you both were actually sort of agreeing and didn't even realize it. a constructive conversation turned needlessly into a destructive one:(
Phoenix Ignition
xxx10.9.128
11/18/2008 1:57:12 PM
lol bye buddy, we'll miss you!!!!!!111!!!1!!!one!!!!eleven!


everyone can thank me now, that's 2 jerks i've gotten rid of, neoflash and this guy.
Phoenix Ignition
xxx10.9.128
11/18/2008 1:58:54 PM
woops, don't hit refresh if you sent something previously.

my post had nothing to do with demeaning him, i was explaining why i posted here. i just think it's hilarious how much of a hissy fit he threw when i responded to him directly.
dog
xxx161.230.73
11/18/2008 4:46:52 PM
yo phoenix can you use that magic touch of yours to get rid of prodigy and his terrible decks, cause all ive seen is him making bad comments and not being able to give real justification for why he has them in there.

so if you could give a swing at it that be great....lol
Phoenix Ignition
xxx10.9.128
11/18/2008 5:03:41 PM
hahahaha i'm on it.

the stupider they are the harder it is to make them leave though. usually people just leave when they get angry at the truth bomb you laid on them, for stupid people it takes a lot longer for them to understand what you just said.
dog
xxx161.230.73
11/18/2008 6:00:33 PM
lol
Joe C
xxx69.103.3
11/21/2008 12:26:05 PM
honestly phoenix, what you claimed was wrong with my statement wasnt what i said at all. my statement was that the top decks dont change because almost all of the cards that could be put in them have been tried up to this point. the archtypes like aggro control, landstill, combo almost always use the same basic structure and only differ from a few cards collectively over a vast amount of players. what you claimed i said is that the lack of change was from discussion. as i said you took it from context and did not read what i wrote.
Joe C
xxx69.103.3
11/21/2008 12:29:46 PM
i play ichorid combo(with led) and dragon stompy as my only decks since i got married this year and sold all my dual lands and blue control cards(since they are worth the most $). im not saying that this site it "bad" persay, but there is a much larger knowledge pool at the source and people pretty much know the archtypes they play like the back of their hands... you should have seen some of the arguements that neoflash and i had due to him not even bothering to read what i said and twisting my statements just to cause a flame war. i prefer the source, not only due to the population there, but you dont have to deal with this c/ card crap liek you do here to post a deck
Phoenix Ignition
xxx.84.102.183
11/21/2008 1:04:58 PM
i completely agree with you that the source forums are better for making a higher quality deck in some instances, but i really prefer making decks that are completely out of the box and trying to win with them. i like to think that there will always be a chance for someone like me to come out with a ridiculously good deck.

i mean, how long did it take for people to realize that trinisphere + chalice of the void could be a way to completely destroy half of the decks out there if you use lands that give 2 mana. theres probably something else out there that no one has considered yet on a competitive level that would be that good.

the only problem with posting on the source is the population. if someone comes up with an idea there that is going to rock the legacy scene, then everyone will know about it and either play it or be able to sideboard against it. at the very least they will know the key parts of the deck, so how to play to beat it. i know that anything i post here is s
Phoenix Ignition
xxx.84.102.183
11/21/2008 1:05:35 PM
is safe from the eyes of 99.9999% of legacy players, which is why i do it.

plus there is something to say about the cards that casual players know about and the cards that competitive legacy players know about.
Joe C
xxx96.249.169
11/21/2008 4:59:40 PM
i consider myself to be a part time serious magic player. i make it to tournaments when i can, which the ones i make it too are some of the largest on the east coast. i have to disagree about the last statement you made though. most of the competitive players have been playing magic for quite some time, the eternal formats are actually generally dominated by people in my age group (late 20's to mid 30's) i myself am 32 years old, this game is a hobby i have had since my teens and i have seen pretty much every card out there. so the statement that the competitive players dont know about cards is pretty moot.
Joe C
xxx96.249.169
11/21/2008 5:04:07 PM
people sideboarding against "your deck" is likely going to happen anyway.sideboards need to be diverse in order to be effective. take my dragonstompy sideboard: 4 pithing needle, 3 powder keg, 1 trinisphere(3 maindecked), 1 blood moon(3 maindecked), 4 pyrokinisis, 2 demonfire(1 maindecked)

this handles everything except enchantments that do not require activated abilities like aluren, which is not too bad of a matchup if i land trinisphere(which spoils aluren), and blood moon is good as well against the 4c version.
dog
xxx161.230.73
11/21/2008 6:47:48 PM
my experience with dragon stompy is that it has the hardest time with enchantress and aggroloam just as a side note
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